Posts by Bona Dea

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Jehovahs witnesses 3rd world religion?

by sleepy in

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are jw's going to turn into a basicly 3rd world religion?.

hardly any new converts in western land , and lots of children leaving or not taking it seriously.. people in pourer countries need a hope , lack education , and maybe look up to people in western lands and their ideas.. so will bethel soon be in africa?

Bona Dea

They blew their chance for an easy entry into African politics when they DFed a Zambian presidential candidate last year. Just think, if he'd not been DFed AND had won, they'd have had a chance to become the national religion!

They had to do that. The bible tells us that the road leading to everlasting life will be narrow...not many will be on that road. If an entire nation were to become Jehovah's witnesses, and they were to increase in status to the point of being a top religion, then they couldn't lay claim to be being the ones that Jehovah was using in the last days. I have even heard admission by fellow dub that if they were ever to become a "popular" religion, then he would know that Jehovah wasn't using this org. I think the guys in charge realize that they can't become too big. Anyhow, that just my 2 cents.

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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JW's,Sicentology,Moonies,all members of FIREPHIM?

by seven006 in

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i started on some research to expose the cult that xenu is trying to sneak on to this board "raelians" and i think i might have come across something that will be of interest to all of you.

i will address the information that exposes xenu's cult the raelians in another thread but at this time i wanted to bring this very interesting information on this thread to see if anyone has heard of this.

the group is called the international federation of religious and philosophical minorities (known by its french acronym, firephim) and is devoted to defending the cause of nrms.

Bona Dea

Is that what Censur is the acronym for?

I didn't know (and I believe that I stated that I didn't). As I said, I didn't know if that link would be useful to this issue or not...I just thought I would provide it for those who wanted to see it and could read french (as I admitted I could not).

Now the Centre for the Study of New Religious Movements
is part of the conspiracy.

Still have that knack for twisting words, huh? Who said they were? I admitted in my previous post that I had no idea who they were or what their purpose was. I even went so far as to ask.

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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non-jw's please check in here

by dungbeetle in

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friends

i don't know if anyone has said this before, but i wanted to say a big thank you to all of you non-jw's who have put up with us and stayed with us and helped us out so much.. i know offhand: jerome, detective, and hawkaw.

i know there are many many more of you, but please step up here and take a very well-deserved bow and get a very well-deserved hand from me and from others..

salute!!!!!

Bona Dea

*raises hand*...Me neither!! Thank you...I will definitely stick around! Not a boring moment here .

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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JW's,Sicentology,Moonies,all members of FIREPHIM?

by seven006 in

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friends

i started on some research to expose the cult that xenu is trying to sneak on to this board "raelians" and i think i might have come across something that will be of interest to all of you.

i will address the information that exposes xenu's cult the raelians in another thread but at this time i wanted to bring this very interesting information on this thread to see if anyone has heard of this.

the group is called the international federation of religious and philosophical minorities (known by its french acronym, firephim) and is devoted to defending the cause of nrms.

Bona Dea

Here is a cesnur link that mentions FIREPHiM. I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying about Cesnur. What is it? Did it replace FIREPHiM? The link is in French, so I could not completely understand the whole page. For some reason my browser would only translate half the page. I have no idea if this link has any relevance to this issue but it seemed to. Hope it helps.

http://www.cesnur.org/2001/fr_dericquebourg.htm

Wow, Plmkrzy...you really did some research!! Interesting stuff indeed.

Bye for now

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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Child abuse policy

by Smitty in

the pope is considering adopting a child abuse policy similar to jw's.

they've already accepted the policy of 'one strike youre out'.

now they're considering applying it to those cases that involve pass offences.

Bona Dea

The Pope is considering adopting a child abuse policy similar to JW's

How did you get that out of this article??? It made absolutely no mention or implied that the Catholic Church would be adopting a child abuse policy similar to the dubs.

The only thing that I could see where someone might get that out of it IF they really wanted was where it said:

But distinguishing an actual crime from an allegation remained a thorny issue. “How do you handle it when someone comes up and says someone has done something wrong?” one of the participants, Cardinal Edward Egan of New York, asked Wednesday morning.
“Do you immediately walk away from that person? Can you [presume] that he is accused and therefore he is guilty? How do you approach it?” he asked reporters.
“Well, one bishop may say, ‘I think he is a pretty fine fellow, and I want to look into this before I make any decision.’ Another might say, ‘I want to send him away for psychological studies to see what experts say,’ ” Egan said.
“That would be one of the things we have to figure out, and I don’t think you can vilify either position,” said Egan, who is accused of having transferred pedophile priests from parish to parish when he was in an earlier post in Connecticut.

Did I miss something??

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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JW's,Sicentology,Moonies,all members of FIREPHIM?

by seven006 in

jw
friends

i started on some research to expose the cult that xenu is trying to sneak on to this board "raelians" and i think i might have come across something that will be of interest to all of you.

i will address the information that exposes xenu's cult the raelians in another thread but at this time i wanted to bring this very interesting information on this thread to see if anyone has heard of this.

the group is called the international federation of religious and philosophical minorities (known by its french acronym, firephim) and is devoted to defending the cause of nrms.

Bona Dea

Who are the "Witnesses of Je'hovah"?

I did a search on it and it returned no results and asked me if I meant witnesses of jehovah. So, I clicked on "witnesses of Jehovah" and the only results that turned up were links to Jehovah's Witness sites. I've never heard of this sect called witnesses of je'hovah.

Chasson, is there any way one might go about translating that link you submitted into English. I can't figure it out. Is there a translation function in the browser menu (i'm using ie)?

Plmkrzy, in one of the articles that I read, it was my understanding that they (scientologists) were denying that they were/are registered with FIREPHiM. It was the bottom link on my last post ( http://www.religio.de/atack/intelli.html). Here's the quote from the article:

With reference to minority groups, Scientology has allied itself with other totalist groups ("cults") including the Unification Church, or Moonies and the Children of God (Family of Love). Scientology officials deny the registration in Strassbourg in December 1992 of FIREPHIM. This was allegedly a pact between the Moonies, COG, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Raelians and even the Bah '.

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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JW's,Sicentology,Moonies,all members of FIREPHIM?

by seven006 in

jw
friends

i started on some research to expose the cult that xenu is trying to sneak on to this board "raelians" and i think i might have come across something that will be of interest to all of you.

i will address the information that exposes xenu's cult the raelians in another thread but at this time i wanted to bring this very interesting information on this thread to see if anyone has heard of this.

the group is called the international federation of religious and philosophical minorities (known by its french acronym, firephim) and is devoted to defending the cause of nrms.

Bona Dea

Here is a link I found. I just skimmed this articles, so I am unsure of it's relevance...also, I am unsure of it's crebility. I simply did a search on Google for FIREPHiM and Jehovah's witnesses and this is what came up. I did a "find" on the page itself for the words "Jehovah's witnesses" and here was what it said in reference to them:

Priscilla Coates, former CAN (Cult Awareness Network) president and current chair of CAN's Los Angeles chapter, says that while she was not aware of The Family's communications with members of Congress, she is not surprised at the new tenor of the group's efforts, which she says lack substance.
Says Coates, "They have joined forces...and formed a corporation in Switzerland with Scientology, the Raelians, the Occidental Wiccans," as well as the Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies, and Baha'is. The group is called the International Federation of Religious and Philosophical Minorities (known by its French acronym, FIREPHIM) and is devoted to defending the cause of NRMs (New Religious Movements).

Here's the link:
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0162a.txt

A couple of other links that came up:
http://www.xenu.org/factnet/GEN/FILES/HELPS6/LZ.TXT
http://www.religio.de/atack/intelli.html

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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Questions to ask the Dub at your door

by ozziepost in

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friends

when you next have a visit from a dub, what will you say?.

perhaps you should have some quickfire questions ready to ask them.

1. how come jesus kicked satan out of heaven in october 1914, at the end of the gentile times, when satan had started ww1 to distract attention from the kingdom's establishment around july 1914 ?.

Bona Dea

If I became a Jehovahs Witness and got baptized into your faith and later on decided to leave because I was unhappy,would their be any sanctions against me,would I be shunned or ostracized or treated as an outcast?
They assured me unhesitatingly that this would definately not be the case.

I asked this same question and got the same exact response. I'm not/never have been a witness but have studied with them for many years but never been baptized. After coming to this site and reading the stories about being DF'd and DA'd, I posed this question to my "study partners" and they responded the same way.

Is this a lie?

I assumed that it probably (as with most orgs/religions) varies from congregation to congregation...that naturally some congs will be stricter and some more "laid back". I don't know.

I also asked the question (and it is a good one):
"If say you didn't believe in 1914 for example, would you continue to teach it in the field ministry? Would you just avoid talking about it altogether OR would you just pretend that you agreed with the teaching and disregard your true feelings on the matter?" (In other words, would they LIE?)

The response was:
"If I truly believe that Jehovah is using this organization, then I would trust in their teachings." (In other words, they would lie.)

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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Modesty in Dress and Grooming - May KM

by expatbrit in

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friends

ok you slutty and independent slobs, pay attention.

how many instances of loaded language and mind-control techniques can you spot in the following article from the may 2002 km?

whoever gets the most wins a brown suit from goodwill.. modesty in dress and grooming- km may 2002.

Bona Dea

You gotta love it! It is mind boggling how these folks can't put two and two together. You'd think that they could read something like what Reborn just posted and think, hey, wait a minute here..??!! It is amazing how obvious this stuff is...yet they just don't get it. ...Or probably more like they don't want to get it. Oh well, to each his own.

Nice dissection, Detective!!

Bona Dea of the "wear whateva I wanna" class

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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The Usual Jaw Dropping WT Hypocrisy

by metatron in

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friends

the latest watchtower contains a life experience from a. brother in nigeria.

he recalls an incident from his youth.. "another time, the principal of the baptist school attempted.

to abuse me sexually.

Bona Dea

This is typical WT stuff. If they print it about others, they are in affect saying, we don't do this. It's like a thief (WTS) who, instead of running, sits on the park bench beside the the place he just robbed. He thinks the police (congregation) will assume that he is innocent because he didn't run....because really, if he were guilty would he just sit there like he wasn't? I'm sure there is a psychological term for the thought process but I have no idea what it is.

It also appears to be a way of averting attention from their wrong doings and placing the attention on others. If they say enough bad things about other religions, it will detract from anything that anyone could find with theirs. Trying to make their "sins" as a religion seem small.

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr